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I had a 2nd case (in 2-3 years) of monomelic amyotrophy, this one a 67 y/o female, 4 month onset of weakness and wasting in her left hand - no numbness, tingling or pain, and minimal chronic neck pain (non-radiating). Totally normal sensory studies but low amplitude (ulnar worse than radial) or unobtainable (median) motor responses, and marked denervation in T1>C8>C7 (and paraspinals). Awaiting C&T spine MRIs. Is anyone else seeing these kinds of cases?
There is an article in Muscle & Nerve from January 2008 about this, authored by Patel, Knepper, and Jones. Volume 37; pp115-119
I evaluated a 45-year-old mechanic with neck pain and was impressed that all of his median and ulnar sensory amplitudes were unexplainably low (all < 10 µV), with borderline-prolonged distal latencies. He had no clinical evidence of a polyneuropathy or mononeuropathy, and no medical conditions aside from neck pain. He was muscular with very large hands. I know that height and BMI adversely influence sensory measures, but I’m wondering if his large hands explain the low sensory response amplitudes?
I was wondering if you could please help me understand the value of doing the paraspinal muscles in patients who have undergone previous lumbar laminectomies and now return with recurrent back pain? Should I do a needle EMG on the lumbar paraspinal muscles following back surgery in that region?
In a patient with severe chronic polio who demonstrates decreased insertional activity, no fibrillation potentials, and no recorded voluntary motor unit potentials in all lower limb muscles, is there a specific EMG term to describe the findings?
I am looking for validated scores or scales that I can use in the clinic for providing objective evidence of treatment reponse in small fiber and autonomic neuropathies. I have found reference to COMPASS-31 but cannot find a version I can use. Practicing in Australia and need to provide evidence of improvement to have continuing access to IVIg.
29 years old male presented with weakness in his right ankle dorsiflexion after releasing a cast in his right lower limb
NCS: peroneal -EDB
normal amplitude of CMAPs ( 3 mV ) for distal & below fibular head stimulation sites with normal distal latencies decreased amplitude of CMAP above fibular head stimulation ( 1.3 mV )
peroneal -TA decreassd amplitude of CMAP for distal & proximal stimulation
tibial & sural NCSs : normal
EMG study
TA,PL : active denervation , unstable MUs with decreased receuitment
EDB : No active denervation with normal duration of MUs and deceeased recruitment
Short head of Biceps femoris,GN : Normal EMG study
Q: may a compressive neuroparhh show double abnormal NCS patterns to different muscles ( ex. in this case : axonal loss to TA & partial conduction block to EDB ! )
I saw a 45 year-old colleague who became aware of calf fasciculations and was anxious that he may have ALS. He exercised regularly and his fasciculations seemed most prominent after exercise. He was otherwise asymptomatic, and his clinical and EMG examinations were unremarkable aside from calf fasciculations. How can I be confident that his fasciculations fall into the category of benign fasciculations, as opposed to early ALS?
I am hopeful that I can obtain some insight regarding a particular finding in the evaluation of carpal tunnel evaluations that I am seeing from time-to-time. Specifically, I perform a 14/7 cm antidromic SNAP study and obtain a mid-palm latency of 1.9 ms with an amplitude of 20 uV and a 14 cm SNAP with a latency of 4.4 ms and amplitude of 15 uV. I am comfortable with an assessment of focal slowing of the median sensory fibers to the third digit across the wrist consistent with the diagnosis of the patient’s clinical symptoms of CTS. However, when performing the median CMAP evaluation, I obtain a 8 cm wrist value of 3.8 ms with an amplitude of 7 mV and an antecubital fossa result of 7.7 ms, with a resulting conduction velocity of 46 M/s. The median motor DML appears fine as does the amplitude, but the NCV is low. The temperature over the APB is 34 degrees C, and I have checked and re-checked my distance. What is going on?
Nerve Conduction Studies Anti Sensory Summary Table
Stim Site
NR
Onset (ms)
Peak (ms)
Norm Peak (ms)
P-T Amp (µV)
Norm P-T Amp
Site1
Site2
Delta-0 (ms)
Dist (cm)
Vel (m/s)
Norm Vel (m/s)
Left Lat Ante Brach Cutan Anti Sensory (Lat Forearm)
Lat Biceps
1.3
1.9
<2.5
10.3
>6.0
Lat Biceps
Lat Forearm
1.3
10.0
77
Right Lat Ante Brach Cutan Anti Sensory (Lat Forearm)
Lat Biceps
1.4
1.9
<2.5
41.9
>6.0
Lat Biceps
Lat Forearm
1.4
10.0
71
Left Med Ante Brach Cutan Anti Sensory (Med Forearm)
Elbow
1.3
1.8
<2.6
4.7
>3.0
Elbow
Med Forearm
1.3
10.0
77
Site 2
1.7
2.2
3.7
Right Med Ante Brach Cutan Anti Sensory (Med Forearm)
Elbow
1.8
2.2
<2.6
16.3
>3.0
Elbow
Med Forearm
1.8
10.0
56
Left Median Anti Sensory (2nd Digit)
Wrist
2.1
2.8
4.0
58.2
19
Palm
2nd Digit
1.0
7.0
70
Palm
1.0
1.5
2.3
54.5
Wrist
Palm
1.1
7.0
64
Right Median Anti Sensory (2nd Digit)
Wrist
2.0
2.6
4.0
135.0
19
Left Radial Anti Sensory (Base 1st Digit)
Wrist
1.8
2.2
<2.8
47.1
>11
Wrist
Base 1st Digit
1.8
10.0
56
Left Ulnar Anti Sensory (5th Digit)
Wrist
2.2
2.7
<4.0
41.9
>13
Wrist
5th Digit
2.2
14.0
64
Motor Summary Table
Stim Site
NR
Onset (ms)
Norm Onset (ms)
O-P Amp (mV)
Norm O-P Amp
Neg Area (mVms)
Site1
Site2
Delta-0 (ms)
Dist (cm)
Vel (m/s)
Norm Vel (m/s)
Left Median Motor (Abd Poll Brev)
Wrist
3.0
4.5
4.6
5.0
15.46
Elbow
Wrist
3.3
18.0
55
>49
Elbow
6.3
4.8
16.99
Right Median Motor (Abd Poll Brev)
Wrist
2.3
4.5
10.5
5.0
31.14
Left Ulnar Motor (Abd Dig Minimi)
Wrist
2.6
3.7
8.1
7.9
21.79
B Elbow
Wrist
2.4
18.4
77
>52
B Elbow
5.0
6.9
17.27
Comparison Summary Table
Stim Site
NR
Onset (ms)
Peak (ms)
Norm Peak (ms)
P-T Amp (µV)
Site1
Site2
Delta-P (ms)
Norm Delta (ms)
Left Median/Radial Dig I Comparison (Digit 1 - 10cm)
Median
1.6
1.9
46.4
Median
Digit 1 - 10cm
1.9
<0.5
Radial
1.4
1.8
4.7
Radial
Digit 1 - 10cm
1.8
F Wave Studies
NR
F-Lat (ms)
Lat Norm (ms)
L-R F-Lat (ms)
L-R Lat Norm
M-Lat (ms)
FLat-MLat (ms)
Left Median (Mrkrs) (Abd Poll Brev)
NR
<33
<2.2
Right Median (Mrkrs) (Abd Poll Brev)
21.27
<33
<2.2
2.34
18.93
Left Ulnar (Mrkrs) (Abd Dig Min)
26.23
<36
<2.5
1.93
24.30
EMG
Side
Muscle
Nerve
Root
Ins Act
Fibs
HF
Fascic
Amp
Dur
Poly
Recrt
Config
Comment
Left
Deltoid
Axillary
C5-6
Incr
2+
None
None
Nml
Nml
Nml
Reduced
Nml
Left
Biceps
Musculocut
C5-6
Incr
4+
None
None
Absent
Absent
Absent
Absent
NA
Left
Triceps
Radial
C6-7-8
Incr
3+
None
None
Absent
Absent
Absent
Absent
NA
mepps present
Left
PronatorTeres
Median
C6-7
Incr
4+
None
None
Absent
Absent
Absent
Absent
NA
Left
1stDorInt
Ulnar
C8-T1
Incr
4+
None
None
Nml
Nml
Absent
Reduced
Nml
single mup
Left
Opp Pollicis
Median
C8-T1
Incr
4+
None
None
Absent
Absent
Absent
Absent
Nml
Left
Infraspinatus
SupraScap
C5-6
Incr
4+
None
None
Nml
Nml
Incr
Reduced
Unstable
Left
Cervical Parasp Low
Rami
C7-8
Nml
Nml
None
None
NA
NA
NA
NA
NA
30-year-old patient referred for an electrodiagnostic study to evaluate left arm weakness and numbness.
Medical history significant for a left clavicle fracture in 2017 with malunion. On January 28, 2019, the left clavicle fracture was treated with open reduction internal fixation. Patient received regional anesthesia prior to surgery.
When patient woke from surgery, she complained of left-sided lateral neck pain. She complained of numbness and weakness of the left arm after completion of regional anesthesia.
Patient completed electrodiagnostic study on February 25, 2019.
Prior to the study, patient completed MR left brachial plexus. The study indicated normal signal within the plexus, no obvious compression of the plexus, soft tissue edema below the fracture site/surgery consistent with postoperative change.
No other medical history.
Examination
Spurling sign absent
Motor: Right upper limb normal. Left shoulder abduction 1, external rotation 1, elbow flexion, wrist extension, finger extension, finger abduction, thumb opposition absent.
Sensory: Light touch decreased throughout left upper limb and extremity with painless paresthesia over left medial forearm.
Reflexes: Right/left biceps 2/absent, brachial radialis 2/absent, triceps 1/absent, patellar and Achilles 2/2.
Hoffman sign absent. Plantar responses flexor and no clonus.
Gait and balance normal.
The tabular data included in the post is the patient's nerve conduction and electromyography results.
The left upper limb sensory and motor responses are preserved but abnormal when compared to right side responses.
Significant active denervation of multiple left upper limb muscles.
Normal left cervical paraspinal examination at rest.
I felt the abnormal findings were best explained by an acute to subacute severe left brachial plexopathy based on the abnormal left upper limb sensory responses, denervation of multiple upper limb muscles and normal paraspinal examination.
I was surprised by the preservation of the left upper limb sensory responses with the degree of denervation on needle examination. I have studied a number of traumatic and nontraumatic brachial plexopathies. The preservation of the left upper limb sensory responses is not characteristic of prior experience.
Stimulation of the brachial plexus at Erb's point to look for conduction block across the clavicle would have been helpful. The patient recently completed left shoulder surgery and would not tolerate that examination.
Needle examination of the left serratus anterior would help determine whether there was involvement of the cervical nerve roots.
Has anyone had a similar experience with brachial plexopathy?
I was concerned there could be a coexisting cervical radiculopathy or polyradiculopathy.
I requested cervical spine MRI for additional evaluation.
I am concerned about the patient's prognosis for recovery. Typically, preserved sensory and motor responses indicate a better prognosis. The degree of denervation and lack of motor unit activity on electromyography concerned me (realizing the injury is less than 3 months duration).
SFEMG, stimulation. Sometimes I see one spike occurring with two distinct latencies, particularly when I increase and decrease the stimulation strength when testing for threshold stimulation. What is this?
We recently purchased a Cadwell Summit EMG machine with US. We find the resolution using the US probe very poor for most structures except for the median nerve at the wrist in a thin patient. We have tried changing US frequency, depth, gain and other parameters without much improvement.
In contrast, we have Sonosite free standing US machines that provide better US quality.
Has anyone experienced this difficulty and recommend a solution?
When I do EMGs and NCVs in my office, I have quite a bit of artifact that I am pretty sure is 60 Hz. Unfortunately, it is so strong that a fair amount persists even when using the 60 Hz filter. Does anybody have suggestions on how to reduce this artifact or identify the source of it so that I can remove it?
I'd be very grateful for any experience or advice in this situation.
Young male body builder with suspected but undisclosed anabolic steroid abuse. Initially seen for left foot drop and sensory disturbance in fibular distribution and found to have fibular neuropathy with block and slowing across fibular head. Represents several months later with patchy sensory disturbance over right hand (radial and median nerve distribution) and pain at biceps insertion and in to forearm. Reports some wrist extensor weakness when it first occurred but now has pain with giveway weakness in right deltoid, biceps, wrist extensors and finger extensors. Reflexes all in tact.
UL studies: normal radial SNAPs, both median SNAPs borderline small with no slowing, right ulnar SNAP small but not slow, left ulnar SNAP normal. Median motor studies - normal DMLs, but CV 45 and 44m/s in R and L forearms respectively. Median F waves prolonged at 30ms on both sides (height 172cm). Ulnar motor studies normal (no slowing around elbow on right, left only stimulated below elbow) but F waves both prolonged for height (R 32.34ms, L 31.09ms). Radial-EIP motor studies difficult - unable to elicit response in EIP with elbow stimulation, but response present with stimulation at spiral groove. Amplitude 3mV on right but CV (forearm-spiral groove) slow at 33m/s. Left radial-EIP CMAP 3mV at forearm but then 6.6mV at spiral groove. Suspect submax stimulation in forearm due to muscle.
EMG: slow very sparse fibs seen in right triceps, biceps and EDC. Reduced recruitment in triceps, but others normal. some long duration units in right FDI but recruitment normal and no spontaneous activity. Long, large units seen in right APB. Deltoid and EIP normal.
Could his body building be causing chronic compression of his nerves in his forearms leading to the small sensory responses and slow motor velocities? Does (extreme) body building or anabolic steroid use give you sparse fibrillations on EMG without other features of denervation (i.e.reduced recruitment)?
I am occasionally asked to evaluate a patient for myasthenia gravis. I typically evaluate some combination of the ulnar, spinal accessory, deltoid, or facial nerves using a train of four 3 Hz stimuli. I have been surprised by the variability of the results I obtain during individual examinations, not only in the magnitude of decrement but also by the pattern of the decremental response. Sometimes only one or two of the responses show a decrement, whereas other times all responses are smaller than the initial response. Is this variability expected and if not, how do I know the abnormality I find is “real?”
I recently saw a patient with numbness and tingling in the right hand that was sent to “rule out carpal tunnel.” The patient was a 36 year old female office worker that had a rather standard complaint of about a 3 week history of numbness and tingling in the third and second digit with a “feeling” of finger swelling and hand heaviness. She denied dropping objects but did state that she was beginning to have some trouble buttoning clothes with the right hand. The sensations in her right hand were beginning to occasionally wake her up at night.
On physical examination her hand appeared symmetric to the contralateral hand. There was no obvious or subtle swelling, muscle asymmetry, or skin abnormalities. Manual muscle testing revealed a grade 5 to all of her hand intrinsic muscles bilaterally. Sensation was mildly reduced in the classic median nerve distribution on the volar aspect of the right hand with no abnormalities noted in the ulnar, superficial radial, or dorsal ulnar cutaneous distributions on the right. A Tinnel’s sign was present at the right wrist region, but otherwise no other provocative maneuvers caused the patient any discomfort.
I thought this was going to be a typical CTS assessment, but I found the motor NCV data to be unexpected and somewhat confusing. I am hoping you can shed some light on the patient’s findings. Specifically, I performed a median sensory 14/7 cm study using an antidromic ring finger technique with ring electrodes on the third digit. Her mid-palm sensory peak latency was 1.9 ms while her 14 cm peak latency was 4.4 ms thereby yielding a trans-carpal latency of 2.5 ms. I thought, Okay, this makes sense given the symptoms: so far, the SNAP findings are suggestive of a focal median sensory neuropathy at or about the wrist region. I then performed a routine median motor study with the wrist stimulation at 8 cm resulting in a latency of 3.9 ms with a CMAP amplitude of 7 mV. No worries I thought, the median motor study is looking good at this point. But, when stimulating at the elbow, the CMAP displayed an initial positive deflection with a CMAP amplitude of 10.5 mV. This sure looked like a typical Martin-Gruber anomaly regarding the two CMAPs. I made sure the CMAP from the wrist had an abrupt negative deflection, and so I was convinced I was on the APB’s motor point. What is going on?
We have a new EMG doc joining the lab who suggested premedicating patients with Xanax. I have not used this approach as I never thought it was necessary or indicated, and wondered if anyone else was doing it or had any experience to share. Our lab only receives EMG referrals (on adults, no peds), and typically we would not have seen the patient before the visit, so we would need to rely on the referring physician for any prescribing.
I am interested in bringing ultrasound to my electrodiagnostics lab (it would be refreshing not to have to shock and stick every patient that comes in!), but I’m not sure how much I would use it, and I don’t want to invest a bunch of time and money into something I’ll use once a week. Any thoughts on how to know when it’s the right time to bring nerve ultrasound into your practice and how is the best way to transition it into your EDX lab?
Recorded this interesting EMG waveform from a patient with distal leg weakness and numbness. I’m interested in what others would call this discharge. (I’ll let you know what it is in a followup post).
Does anyone have recommendations for specific products to help with warming patients in the lab that are less than $3000? Open to all suggestions, but also interested in anyone that has experience using a hydrocollator as I think that may work well with our lab set up. Thanks!
I would like to hear your opinions on reference values. Which do you use and why? Do you use age-specific normals? For median sensory, do you record from D2 or D3 and why?
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